http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php?disp=comments en-US http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:32:41 +0000 tik b lang [Visitor] c15024@http://www.karan.org/blog/ Nice! Questions. Is this the free and best way to get acquainted with Linux emphasizing on Redhat. I dont mind getting the source and compiling as long as i can learn redhat 6 syntax and. I eant to start with "6". Is Centos the way to learn for free? http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c15024 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:06:32 +0000 DeBaan [Visitor] c12975@http://www.karan.org/blog/ Some reasonably sized consumers of CentOS, such as myself, have found that:<br /> 1. RHEL subscription costs are not reasonable.<br /> 2. CentOS is good enough that we run 80+ physical and virtual hosts.<br /> 3. CentOS is free. We like free. But we also recognize the value of the CentOS product to our business, and feel that our business should (and would) be willing to contribute something to the development, in particular if a release schedule can be assured. Perhaps $100 per vm/physical per year... for me, that might be $8000/yr to contribute to the project. Surely there are several more businesses that would be willing to contribute, again, for an assurance in return? A requirement of this, though, is for you to have a formal purchase order and billing process in place.<br /> <br /> Bottom line is, my company (a very large company) does not have a process or a desire for "donation". If there's not a process for it, in a big business, it nearly can't be done. But ordering software, licenses and subscriptions, is something that happens every day as part of the regular business process.<br /> <br /> I realize that for some devs it may be the love of the work, or a need for a good distro, or prestige more than money; but some who might be willing could jump in and help if their income were supplemented.<br /> <br /> 1. RHEL subscription costs are not reasonable.
2. CentOS is good enough that we run 80+ physical and virtual hosts.
3. CentOS is free. We like free. But we also recognize the value of the CentOS product to our business, and feel that our business should (and would) be willing to contribute something to the development, in particular if a release schedule can be assured. Perhaps $100 per vm/physical per year... for me, that might be $8000/yr to contribute to the project. Surely there are several more businesses that would be willing to contribute, again, for an assurance in return? A requirement of this, though, is for you to have a formal purchase order and billing process in place.

Bottom line is, my company (a very large company) does not have a process or a desire for "donation". If there's not a process for it, in a big business, it nearly can't be done. But ordering software, licenses and subscriptions, is something that happens every day as part of the regular business process.

I realize that for some devs it may be the love of the work, or a need for a good distro, or prestige more than money; but some who might be willing could jump in and help if their income were supplemented.

]]> http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c12975 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:26:35 +0000 jeremy [Visitor] c12887@http://www.karan.org/blog/ @ Karanbir<br /> <br /> There have been several that want to help with this project in both testing and developing. When the question is posed in the #centos irc channel the reply is always negative and seemingly unwelcome. The replies by the more prominent channel dwellers always discourage helping in the way you suggested above. Instead they want to say "no one wants to help unless its time for a release". That to me does not make much sense since because the complaint from the CentOS developers have been lack of help and testing. <br /> <br /> I suggest CentOS puts a way to sign up to help with developing or testing on the main CentOS site. Give people a clear way to help other than just sign up to hand out CD's. Take a page from the Fedora Project and get more people involved. I would be the first to sign up if there was a clear way to do so. <br /> <br /> I personally love to use CentOS and I am glad for the project. I understand the troubles that you guys go through and I want to help in any way I can to alleviate it. I am sure there are others who want to help this project in any way that can be done. Please give us a clear and easy way to sign up to help. :)
There have been several that want to help with this project in both testing and developing. When the question is posed in the #centos irc channel the reply is always negative and seemingly unwelcome. The replies by the more prominent channel dwellers always discourage helping in the way you suggested above. Instead they want to say "no one wants to help unless its time for a release". That to me does not make much sense since because the complaint from the CentOS developers have been lack of help and testing.

I suggest CentOS puts a way to sign up to help with developing or testing on the main CentOS site. Give people a clear way to help other than just sign up to hand out CD's. Take a page from the Fedora Project and get more people involved. I would be the first to sign up if there was a clear way to do so.

I personally love to use CentOS and I am glad for the project. I understand the troubles that you guys go through and I want to help in any way I can to alleviate it. I am sure there are others who want to help this project in any way that can be done. Please give us a clear and easy way to sign up to help. :)]]> http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c12887 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:50:33 +0000 Karanbir Singh [Member] c11638@http://www.karan.org/blog/ Lindley,<br /> <br /> actually - more than funds, people doing things to help the process along would help more. eg. There have been multiple calls for helping with tests, but very few people care to help. The few who do - are then repeatedly sighted by people who neither know what is going on, nor really care to help.
actually - more than funds, people doing things to help the process along would help more. eg. There have been multiple calls for helping with tests, but very few people care to help. The few who do - are then repeatedly sighted by people who neither know what is going on, nor really care to help.]]> http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c11638 Mon, 30 May 2011 14:09:32 +0000 Lindley [Visitor] c10850@http://www.karan.org/blog/ Kneekoo,<br /> <br /> Instead of waiting and complaining, why don't you throw in some contributions such as funding? The only thing to make any project move faster is money right?
Instead of waiting and complaining, why don't you throw in some contributions such as funding? The only thing to make any project move faster is money right?]]> http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c10850 Mon, 23 May 2011 11:59:43 +0000 Karanbir Singh [Member] c10748@http://www.karan.org/blog/ Kneekoo, <br /> <br /> the whole idea of transparency and communication is based on FUD being sent around by people who have ill intentions or are generally hostile to the project. There are plenty of opportunities for people to get involved and help, but they prefer to sit around the sidelines, make lots of noises about stuff they dont understand and prefer to be negative. The good thing is that most people who do actually want to get involved, do so - and prefer to ignore these FUD generating people.<br /> <br /> - KB
the whole idea of transparency and communication is based on FUD being sent around by people who have ill intentions or are generally hostile to the project. There are plenty of opportunities for people to get involved and help, but they prefer to sit around the sidelines, make lots of noises about stuff they dont understand and prefer to be negative. The good thing is that most people who do actually want to get involved, do so - and prefer to ignore these FUD generating people.

- KB]]> http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c10748 Mon, 23 May 2011 11:52:12 +0000 kneekoo [Visitor] c10747@http://www.karan.org/blog/ This is hypothetically good news but I'll believe it when it's out. I'm sure the developers worked a lot on v6.0 but the lack of transparency and communication with the outside world is by far the worst thing that could happen to CentOS. I still have high hopes about the project but at this point... not expectations.<br /> <br /> Good luck, guys!
Good luck, guys!]]> http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c10747 Mon, 23 May 2011 11:24:54 +0000 Naim [Visitor] c10745@http://www.karan.org/blog/ Thanks alot CentOS team,<br /> Really good news for Die hard CentOS fans. Really good news for Die hard CentOS fans.]]> http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2011/05/19/rhel-6-1-and-centos-6-x#c10745